Drug BANNING

[sspri2009]

People like Kyle/Graham & other so called do what's right, would not mind taking drugs like Morphine if they were in pain, yet on the street morphine is a class A drug, can't have it both ways, either ban all DRUGS or legalize all, people like Kyle and others, get on their high horses and gives their opinion or as he likes to think "Voice of a sane society" doesn't he realize that he is helping destroy society with his narrow idealistic views, lets ban Oxygen while we are at it as pure oxygen is quite bad for our health, how many would vote for that.?, so his ideas that GBL GBH, COCAINE AND OTHERS TO MENTION BUT A FEW, is totally flawed.
Kyle, if you read this then I would love to come onto your show and confront YOU AND GRAHAM ABOUT VARIOUS ISSUES. I bet I could trap you in your own words and ideas, on many subjects, as my views are just as valid as yours, except you have a media voice that's totally opinionated and self righteous.

Simon

[suz]

Do you actually live on this planet?  How could any sane person call for either ALL drugs to be banned or legalised?  Obviously drugs that are used to cure illnesses or ease suffering benefit everyone.  Illegal drugs cause huge amounts of financial problems, emotional problems and social problems.  People taking drugs prescribed by the doctor don't go robbing shops or people.  Even though I commend people who want to come off of drugs and enter drug programmes how many abuse the system.  If you want to take drugs and kill yourself fair enough just don't inflict your childish and unrealistic ideas on sane people who aren't seeing the world through drug hazed biased eyes.  On the subject of JK are you not committing the same sin you accuse him of?  Tainted view of the world or what?

[sspri2009]

I'm not tainted in any way,  I just see the world in black and white no gray's, If you read my question/comment, then you read that I said everyone has an opinion, that also includes mine and yours, who says what drugs are good or bad.? some people are allergic to penicillin should we ban that even though millions have been saved by using it.?.
On JK you always see the negative and never anyone coming on saying something like marijuana help me in and with my pain, which is another fact, could you honestly say that if someone came to you asking you to help then get some marijuana to help them relieve pain you would just quote a JK saying "Paranoia", or if someone came to you and said I'm really sad can you get something for me just to pull me up, would you.?.
As for the financial problems caused by drugs, that's only caused by the very notion of being illegal, in a few countries that have much laxer laws on drugs have a lot less drug related crime, and that's a fact.
Everything is a drug, even excessive the release of endorphins into the blood are about 10 more addictive than crack-cocaine so I guess by your argument ban exercise because that a killer as a lot of people have heart attacks and hemorrhagic stroke so doing exercise than just sitting down doing nothing. If you had morphine in a hospital that's ok, but if you had it from the same people who gave it to you in the hospital they and you would be dealing in a class A drug whats the difference.? none, so is it me that's deluded and doesn't live on this planet or you.? You can't have it both ways, do you really think crime would increase if all drugs were made available from a pharmacist or could you use that as a first point of contact for help people come off the drugs they are taking if they want to, in my eyes their are two great benefits from legalizing all drugs, 1 much  less black market and street drugs that could be mixed with other things, and 2 If each time you go and get some drugs from a pharmacist the chemist who lets you have the drugs could be a first point and a easy way to start the process to coming off their nemeses
Just a idea.
Simon

[sspri2009]

Sorry Just to ask you Suz.

Tell me what drugs are obviously good> as I don't know any drug you can take with out side effects, So to use your words drugs that help, and certified by the government bodies, maybe you could tell Thalidomide survivors, to me that's just one example of your so called good drug going bad, but how many took it and it helped, well never know.
As for me being childish I'm older than you, not necessarily wiser but older, your views thinking legalize some ban some can not work or has not worked for 60 years how much longer should we as a society keep throwing monies at the drug problem, when we society created and exacerbating the problem. Billions a year, that's excluding the crime that you mentioned.
So before you go calling names to someone you don't know or ever will, take a step back look into a mirror and and say are my "yours that is" ideas better than mine if your answer is yes great let society as we know it crumble if you say I might have a point, then we are both childish, but if you really argued your point and my point which one would stand up to time.?.
I guess your the childish one here and you also like me have a tainted view of the world, mine are financially more realistic than yours, Just a few facts.
Simon

[sspri2009]

Just one more point I'm not on illegal drugs, are you just a sheep, of a wolf.? do you follow whats right at the time, or do you have your own mind> I think the former.
So please go and cast your aspersions on someone else, just because my views are diametrically opposed to yours, don't make assumption or judgmental ideas, NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY IT'S COVER. Which you have done with me.
Simon

[suz]

I am not saying that there aren't always side effects to drugs and agree with some of the points you make.  Ironically the drug that has been most problematic to me is alcohol.  I have been sober 6 months through the help of AA and fully realsie the problems of addicton.  Whether drugs are legal or not is a reduntant idea.  In AA it's not the amount you drank but what drink did to you that is the problem.  If people take say heroin and lead 'normal' productive lives and are really happy in themselves and their familes are happy and unscarred by it then fair enough take it all you want.  However how many people and familes are honestly happy when they become addicted to these drugs?  I don't obviously want alcohol banned just because I have a problem with it doesn't mean everyone does but when you hear and about and witness first hand in rehab clinics the devastation that drugs and alcohol can cause it does make you wary.  I do think each to their own but when other peoples addicton infringe on the happiness and health of others it really is a worry and I hav been the cause of these problems on my family in the past.  I don't live in a wee bubble and I have witnessed first hand peoples lives being destroyed.  In AA we talk about having an allergy to alcohol so we can never touch it again because it could kill us - could it not be the same with other drugs?  I am sorry i seemed dismissive of your views, I think you maybe just caught me on a bad day and I just neede to vent my anger, some of it at myself, on someone.  I do take heed of what you said and it has given me food for thought.  Does a good debate not get your blood flowing?

[johnfranklyn]

I believe many drugs that are prescribed do in fact have side effects. However the known side affects are actually placed on the box and known about by the person that prescribe them. They also have access to specialist help when two drugs or more are being given to the same person who may have multiple ilnesses.

They also have accidental addictions, but again this can and will be  managed by qualified professionals.

You cannot and will not get this kind of advice from a dealer who is flogging illegal drugs, whether it be weed or a prescribed drug, but is in fact making a profit out of people's misery.

To defend illegal selling and taking of drugs is feable, just ask the families who have members who are addicted to them, or most recently died from taking M-cat / meow.

[sspri2009]

First a reply to the Moderator,

That was my point if you make all drugs legal then that would stop back street peddling, with say cocaine mixed with something else. where as if they were all legalized then you could have proper outlets for them, drugs would be much cheaper, They would also have first hand advice from a qualified chemist/physicist who would/could know the side effects and how and what to give them if they wanted to stop using them, they would also come under the N.I.C.E  laws which would be able to impose quality control, just like all "legal drugs are"so drug dealers on the street would be made more or less redundant over night, as they could not and wouldn't want to sell them for next to nothing because as you said they want profit.
Can I also say that not 100% of people who take drugs don't necessarily die from a overdoes where as 100% of people with or without drugs die

[sspri2009]

To Suz,

I have wrote a response to you a few times, and just can't seam to find the words or find the right expressions to use.
First off can I say thank you so much for telling me about your demon alcohol is probably more devastating to society than most so called "illegal drugs" well done on your 6 months, off alcohol.
Also can I say don't apologize for anything we all have our off days, of which I do know about.
I can't say oh I know how you feel because I don't know I've never been their where you have, so I really don't know.
Would you mind me asking you When did you decide to give up drinking, and why, if it is too hard foir you to tell me then I do understand or if you just don't want to tell me again I do understand.
You've told me something about your deeper life it's only fair and proper I think to tell you something about me.
I have Bi-Polar and I'm classed a clinically depressed, I've tried to commit suicide quite a few times, the last time and most unsuccessful/success I think that's what I mean, landed me up in I.C.U. for 5 days, First time was when I was 12, and now I'm 38 so I do have a few years and quite practiced in what not or how not to do something. lol.
I know you have told me from the heart, and because of that I'm starting to understand why you said the things you said in your first reply, in some ways I'm starting to think a little like you in some aspect.
You have more of a right to want something banned because you've been their, but you don't could I ask why don't you want alcohol banning.? Would you like to see different laws passed, or something else.?
Your so right about a good debate, I just hope I'm giving one.
I can say that I have looked at both side, but never being addicted to anything really, as I already take a lot of meds, but being in hospital I had no outside visitors, or letters or such, when they asked for a song to be played, the theme from the movie ghost, and that's when I realized that no one would cry/care if I was dead or alive, so now that experience taught me a lot of lessons, and 1 main lesson is time to re-evaluate how and what I do. I still think legalizing all drugs would be right for a number of reasons.
Simon

[Admin]

Can I also say that not 100% of people who take drugs don't necessarily die from a overdoes where as 100% of people with or without drugs die

No they don`t - take ecstacy for instance severe heatstroke, because the drug messes with the mechanism that controls body heat.

[johnfranklyn]

Legalising all drugs to buy over the counter is a ridiculous idea, even the most accredited scientist don't agree with that, unless your potts of course who resigned because his ideas were not only outrageous but dangerous to the individual and society as whole.

You can buy cars, dvds, cds legally, but this does not stop back street pedling, do you really believe legalising drugs would stop back street pedling, if you do, you are very mixed up.

They are controlled for a reason, if you can't identify that reason you really need to think again, completely.

[Admin]

First a reply to the Moderator,

 if you make all drugs legal then that would stop back street peddling, with say cocaine mixed with something else. where as if they were all legalized then you could have proper outlets for them, drugs would be much cheaper,

So instead of kids going down the corner shop for a few alochopops, you think it would be much better they took a trip down to boots for a few wraps of coke?! CRAZY!!!

[Admin]

 100% of people who take drugs don't necessarily die from a overdoes where as 100% of people with or without drugs die

Taking drugs is dangerous full stop!! take it from someone who`s done it in the past many years ago. I was hospitalised from ecstacy in the early 90`s, i had chest pains, and my heartrate was around 250bpm , a very frightening experience and when your told its possible you can have a cardiac arrest, you begin to realise how taking any drug is incresing your chances of dying sooner than you think.

[sspri2009]

Lets take Ecstasy
It's a synthetic compound developed in 1913 as a potential dietary aid. However, its psychoactive effects were not discovered until the mid-Seventies. It was used in therapy until 1985.
This is when it was made illegal..
Its chemical name is 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA).
it is beingh trialed in certain countries for the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or anxiety related to cancer.
PTSD pilot study report tendencies for some participants to have reduced disease severity after MDMA psychotherapy.[32][33]  MAPS reported statistically significant results.[34]  MDMA have also been reported to temporarily alleviate symptoms of obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD).
So would you say that it should be banned still, if so tell the people with cancer, that they should stop taking "E" because a few people have been killed by illegal use or they might have misunderstood what they were or how to take it.
Simon

[sspri2009]

Now for kids just going and buying willy nilly, they do that already, or know how to get hold of so called illegal, Street drugs are more than likely mixed with other chemicals or substances "true or False" if you legalized drugs then 1 you know exactly what your getting, as it would have to come up to certain standards like all other over the counter drugs do.
And they have to comply to the same restrictions, so kids would not be able to get drugs just as easy as you would apply, something like the tobacco laws would be needed.

[Admin]

Lets take Ecstasy
It's a synthetic compound developed in 1913 as a potential dietary aid. However, its psychoactive effects were not discovered until the mid-Seventies. It was used in therapy until 1985.
This is when it was made illegal..
Its chemical name is 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA).
it is beingh trialed in certain countries for the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or anxiety related to cancer.
PTSD pilot study report tendencies for some participants to have reduced disease severity after MDMA psychotherapy.[32][33]  MAPS reported statistically significant results.[34]  MDMA have also been reported to temporarily alleviate symptoms of obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD).
So would you say that it should be banned still, if so tell the people with cancer, that they should stop taking "E" because a few people have been killed by illegal use or they might have misunderstood what they were or how to take it.
Simon

How long did it take to copy and paste that from a google search?! As far as i know it is banned! wot!? Its a classA drug. Whats used for medical reasons under a doctor supervision has nothing to do with a banned substance.

[sspri2009]

As for the CD argument, my personal opinion is just the opposite would happen if the music industry would make their copies of CD's a more reasonable price then bootlegging wouldn't be worth it.
people who bootleg do it for 1 reason profit, buy a CD for a few pence rip of a copy and sell it for a few pounds, 100* or more profit, but if the industry made the CD's a much more reasonable price, say a few pounds just make the millionaires like Elton John take a cut in their profits on per CD sale, they would make much more in the long run, as more people would buy from shops, and that is a fact.
So using that philosophy, if you could get your drug and you knew it was up to a certain standard by law, made them cheap enough, then would it be worth dealers risking much more severe penalties for a much less if not a none profit industry.?
YES you will always get some people risking and buying from dealers, but doesn't it make sense that if  they were made legal, then the billions spent on removing drugs from society, could be put to more of a use funding legal drugs and rehab houses.? you'll never stop illegal activities you just make the punishment more severe and the profits much less.
Simon

[sspri2009]

As a start I didn't just copy and past, it does have everything to do with the legal or not.
You can't have double standards by saying it's illegal unless, that just a dumb statement, make it illegal or legal no but's no if's. simple solution, legalize it, you can monitor it..
I have a double BSc (Hons) in Chemistry and computers, so before you say I just copy and past please don't just assume, No matter what you say facts are facts, try no to avoid the issues about "E" can be of real benefits should we ban those benefits.?
I know lets ban breathing, as Oxygen is a really toxic chemical, look at what it does to steal.

[sspri2009]

To the Admin,

When you were hospitalized, did you have any other drug like Adrenalin.? to help your heart rate, now on the streets adrenaline is banned, but without it you might have died.
I do agree all drugs have side effects, but if you legalized all drugs then monitoring and use and primary care all could be much better than it is now.
If all drugs that are illegal then should we a a society have a responsibility to stop producing and testing them.?.
To me it makes no sense to illegality something and still produce it.
Simon

[sspri2009]

One question to all, we all know driving is bad not only to the enviroment but also, for stress levels, if I sugested banning cars, that would be stupid right,
Should we ban cars or change the way we use them and manufacture them change.?
Same wit
h drugs, shouldn't we change the way we use them and produce them.
Simon

[johnfranklyn]

as a parent who has recently lost a child to illegal drugs, sold by a dealer who is still dealing, there is no defence for drugs and anyone condoning there use has really lost touch with all reality, I really hope that people with this view are not in a position where they have any influence over young people.

[sspri2009]

Exactly my point, an illegal drug dealer, he/she may not have known exactly what the supposed drug they brought or thought they were buying, may not have actually been the actual drug, if it was legalized then at lease you would know what it was the strength and purity, and as you said people like me should never get in power to influence young people, why thank you, I could get into another discussion about other issues, but I'm not like that, you have judged me, and I've never judged anyone, for doing anything.
But I will say one thing, I don't have any children, I never want any, the world as it stands is too messed up, at least I'm not on the band wagon, and just saying something for saying it, these are my opinions and only mine, I'm not like JK where his opinion is like GODS word and he plays to the camera, if drugs like Ecstasy, were made illegal and stopped being manufactured, then people with various illnesses including cancer could benefit, you have to weigh the benefits against the none benefits, under supervision people can and do have adverse effects, but my point is would you rather a dealer who might or might not know what they are selling, continues, or would you rather people get  what they need from a legitimate outlet, where they know and can get advice, I would think in a sane world the latter.
And if my idea is truly that mad, then what other options do we have, people are ridiculing and pulling me apart because I think outside the box, how should we cope with the illegal drugs on the street, as clearly, the very notion of being on the streets, proves that the way that society is dealing with the drug issue is.not working, so instead of ripping me apart for a belief I think could work, why don't you all give me other ideas, because the one we are using now doesn't work, and mine doesn't so any ideas.?

[johnfranklyn]

Its not thinking out of the box, its thinking out of the planet, you are trying to justify the use of illegal drugs, saying you are being ripped apart, you have expressed your opinion, which is clearly in the minority, others have expressed their opinions which you have attempted to rip apart.

Your argument really is a lost cause when you go from debate into the realms of being personnal, that shows your argument ' debate is lost.

[sspri2009]

+Society can not continue to plunge billions into tackling something that society has created, how much monies can we afford as a country to tackle something that if legalized could be spent on +++9getting people off their demons.
Would legalizing all drugs be so bad.? I mean really.? I do see peoples views and I did put my self out here for ridicule, but as no one really told me why something like Morphine is legal in a hospital but illegal on the streets, even if it's administered by the same person, from the same vial, they could be had for dealing in class A drugs min 5 years.
Why, what is the difference, surly it's better to monitor what people take rather than guess.
Simon

[sspri2009]

When did I get personal, I've been told I'm crazy, I'm off this planet, If my argument is lost you tell me another "third way" to deal with drugs.? You must think my ideas are crazy right.? well plugging billions into something that doesn't and will never work isn't that crazy.?
Just a thought.

[suz]

Sspri2009 I don't think you're crazy, I admire thosr that have conviction in their beliefs.  In todays everything we enjoy on a personal level is bad for us on other levels. Since  stopped drinking my weight has went up and it's taken me a wee while to address this.  I know it's not a big problem but a problem for me and my own feelings of self - worth and esteem.  I've been hospitalised a number of times too for alcohol abuse reasons and psychological too and understand the pain in part of how you feel.  I thank you for your comments and agree that we can't just see the world in black and white.  As for why I don't want alcohol banned why should I ruin others enjoyments because for some reason or another I can't limit my intake.  Drugs and alcohol are always going to be total hotbeds of debate and as long as we all remember that we are each entitled to our own opinions.  Sspri2009 pleas don't feel gabged up on people just have high emotions when it comes to these debates - as you saw me included x

[peter0456]

MUG
Do you actually live on this planet?  How could any sane person call for either ALL drugs to be banned or legalised?  Obviously drugs that are used to cure illnesses or ease suffering benefit everyone.  Illegal drugs cause huge amounts of financial problems, emotional problems and social problems.  People taking drugs prescribed by the doctor don't go robbing shops or people.  Even though I commend people who want to come off of drugs and enter drug programmes how many abuse the system.  If you want to take drugs and kill yourself fair enough just don't inflict your childish and unrealistic ideas on sane people who aren't seeing the world through drug hazed biased eyes.  On the subject of JK are you not committing the same sin you accuse him of?  Tainted view of the world or what?

[loners]

  I Got it I Got it
If it's controlled it's safe cos it can be monitored, is that right Simon?
So why don't we legalise cigarettes and tobacco, cos it's going to help some people if they have bad nerves or something, and since it's controlled and legal, it's going to make it perfectly safe to smoke away, right, and of course it will totally stop illegal contraband from being made, like the packs of 200 you can get off some high street trader from abroad cos it's cheaper. This will so make smoking tobacco and cigarettes safe so people won't get cancer off them.
I rather think I should write straight away to the government and explain to them that they could be saving a fortune on their help to stop smoking programs, their national health schemes to stop people from smoking because it can kill them, all they have to do is legalise it. You have it so sorted Simon, I'm well impressed.

[pamperpot]

Ouch!!! incredible isnt it how the mention of dreaded drugs raises such heat!

Lets face it, legalising illegal drugs is never going to happen...not while they still make so much money out of the biggest legal drug of all...Alcohol. but how interesting is it that so many get so scared at the idea? i wonder why that is??

To the lady who has made it through the AA...do you know that alcohol  is a drug? also, are you a believer that the AA is the only way? cos its not, but if it works for you then great, and im glad youve made it this far.
Suz..please dont ever label all drug users as thieves, i object strongly to being called a thief when you dont even know me, or anything about me. try not to be media led and stop steriotyping, you obviously dont know much about the subject.

To the guy who lost a family member through illegal drugs...my sincere condolences...i lost my sister to legal drugs 19mths ago. i understand your anger as to 'young people being introduced to drugs'. but may i ask if youve ever taken your children for a pub lunch? let them watch tv? let them look at billboards in the street?

no one is calling for the banning of alcohol are they? and yet our kids are exposed to advertising this drug every day.

[loners]

Personally I have no problem with the banning of Alcohol. I can't say I've ever met anyone who says, yeh let's go for a quick needle of heroine, since it's Christmas or it's a party, but maybe that's cos I don't know too many heroine users, perhaps there's a load who do just that once or twice a year, but somehow I doubt it.
My ex used to be mainly on dope at one time, and you know, his biggest argument used to be, "Well it's not as addictive as alcohol, so it's not hurting anyone"
If I were to punch someone in one eye would I be justified in saying it's ok cos it's not as bad as punching someone in 2 eyes cos at least they can still see?